Camaro
vs. Mustang at Autocross
Disclaimer:
I
have no financial interest in the success or
failure of General Motors, Ford, or Miller Motorsports Park.
First question:
How does a Camaro wind up running at a Mustang club
autocross? The Porsche club http://int.pca.org
has graciously invited the Mustang club http://www.numoa.com
to join them in autocross for years. When the Mustang club held its
own first ever autocross, they not only graciously invited the Porsche
club
to join them, but said "everyone invited." By virtue of owning an old
Porsche that does not run (yet!) I am a member of the Porsche club, so
that is how I heard about the Mustang autocross. What really cinched
the deal for me was the race track, Miller Motorsports Park http://www.millermotorsportspark.com
would rent a racing Mustang for $30! At first I was totally elated --
heck, I probably do more than $30 of tire wear on my own car at an
autocross! Then that sinking feeling hit me -- it was probably $30 per
lap. That was OK, instead of doing 20 or 30 runs in the rented racing
Mustang, I'd do just 2 laps. Also, renting a Miller Mustang runs from
$300 for a learning session to as much as $2400/day, so $30 really was
quite a
bargain. I asked if it was OK if I ran my daily driver Camaro for my
other laps, and the Mustang club graciously said it was fine. The photo
is an old one. For some reason the Mustang club did not post a bunch of
pictures of my Camaro. :)
Maybe 15 Mustangs, 2 or 3 Cobra kit cars, and a pure racing
Mustang showed, plus my Camaro and a Porsche 944 representing the
Porsche club. I did about 10 laps to learn the course really well
before my Mustang runs.
First, a few words on my Camaro. It is prepped to the maximum allowed
by SCCA Solo F-stock rules. It has racing shocks, a huge front swaybar,
racing tires, and a cat-back exhaust. I was turning some pretty good
times. Some credit goes to 40 or 50 autocross days of experience, but
much of the credit goes to having race tires on the car -- I was
probably the only daily driver car there with race tires.
Some proof the huge difference race tires can make: A friend and I
compared once -- same drivers, same cars, same day, just tire swaps. I
ran race tires in the morning, and street tires in the afternoon, and
vice versa for my friend. On a 60 second course at a pretty slippery
venue, he was 4 seconds faster, and I was 5 seconds faster, on race
tires vs. street tires! Another time I corded my race tires and
finished
my day on street tires. I was about 2 seconds faster on the race tires,
this time at a very grippy venue and with good BFG KD street tires.
Now for
the rented Mustang: Here is a link describing it: Miller
Mustang.
It is
about an SCCA Solo ESP level of prep. It was pretty similar in prep and
capability to my car, but it had about 25 more horsepower,
lowering springs, and street tires. You can buy this car for $46,000.
Miller also offers a version that has 300 fewer pounds (stripped
interior), aero aids, telemetry, and race tires, and I imagine other
goodies, for $75,000, the "FR500S." Photo credit: http://www.numoa.com
, this pic was taken the day I drove, but I'm not sure is that is me
or Adam driving. Note how flat the cornering is.
Here is a bench racing comparison:
Horsepower
|
Mustang
~25
more hp
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Mustang
slight advantage
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Torque
|
Camaro
has
more low end torque
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Camaro
advantage
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Weight
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Similar
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About
equal
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Suspension
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Mustang
lowering springs
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Mustang
slight advantage
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Tires
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Camaro
race
tires, Mustang street tries
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Camaro
huge
advantage
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Wheels
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Camaro
stock
16x8, Mustang 17x9?
|
Mustang
advantage
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Driver
experience
|
I
autocrossed Camaro about 30 times, never Mustang
|
Camaro
advantage
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Gearing |
Mustang
geared much lower, would just top out 2nd
|
Mustang
advantage
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Seats
|
Camaro
stock
seats, Mustang race seats
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Mustang
slight advantage
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The bench racing analysis is the Camaro should be faster due to its
tires. Given race tires, instead of its street tires, the Mustang
should be faster.
I signed my life away to drive the Mustang. I was liable for damage to
the Mustang, even if not my fault, not to exceed $46,000. Since
autocross is just one car at a time, I wasn't worried about car-to-car
contact.
Now I get to strap in. Since
the Mustang has no sunroof or T-tops, I
fear I won't be able to get my helmet on once strapped in, so
I put on my helmet first. First surprise: The Mustang has a full
interior, I had assumed it would have a stripped interior. Second
surprise, the seat goes back so far I can't push the clutch in all
the way! As a tall guy, this is the first car where I have ever had
that much leg room. It is nice the full cage doesn't restrict the seat
travel or headroom. Adam, the MMP guy in charge of the Mustangs, helps
me strap into the four point harness. I turn the key. Doh! The motor is
already running! Luckily the electronics intelligently do not engage
the starter, just the tach needle goes to zero for a moment. The motor
was so smooth and quiet (with race track noises and my helmet on,
anyways), I didn't know it was running. The shifter has short throws
and a very nice, direct feel. Unlike the Camaro, I can see some of the
hood. Photo credit: http://www.numoa.com .
Finally I get my turn. I launch. My brain dyno says the Mustang isn't
accelerating as fast as my Camaro. Due to the low gearing, it rapidly
runs out of rpm and I hit the rev limited right away. Now for my first
real turn. It seems to me the Mustang is softer and leans more. At the
Southwest hairpin, I try to drop it into first -- force of habit from
my first 10 runs -- and the car grinds. Oh yeah, there is that sign in
big letters on the dash that says to not use first gear unless the car
is stopped. Oops.
Run two goes much smoother. I get into 2nd before the rev limiter, and
just keep it in 2nd. The tire breakway is more gradual, and I'm awarded
with soft tire squeal, in contrast to the Camaro's quieter, but abrupt
breakaway, race tires.
Overall I am impressed how tight and controllable the Mustang is. I
expected a rental race car to be rattling and squeaking, but this car
was as nice and tight as any new car I have driven. The suspension was
very well dialed in and easy to drive hard. I had expected a ton of
understeer (generally safer for beginners), but the car was better
balanced than I had expected. My only performance quibbles were having
to stop for first gear (not a big deal on the track, you only use 1st
to start, but 1st is handy for autocross), and just a hint of incipient
wheel hop on hard braking (very mild, many people would probably not
have noticed).
The "brain dyno" (and perhaps a little incoming bias) tells me the
Camaro was easily faster. I stop by the timer -- I can hardly believe
my eyes -- I was faster in the Mustang! This is very amazing,
considering I took just 2 runs, and it was on street tires.
How could my impression be so far off? Here are post analysis
thoughts:
- A "brain dyno" is not
very
accurate
- The earlier and flatter
torque
curve of the Camaro made the launch a bit better, but the Mustang might
have been pulling harder at high rpm
- The race seat held me in
very
well, so I wasn't using my arms to stay in place like usual, so it
didn't feel like I was working hard
- The Mustang has slightly
better
visibility
- The Mustang is a bit
narrower
The fun didn't end there. The
course
was changed a bit after lunch. Adam, the
http://www.millermotorsportspark.com Mustang guy, did 2 laps. He was
over 1 second ahead of my Camaro time, and it looked like he might have
been showing off a bit hanging the tail on some of the turns (which
generally slows you down in autocross). I work hard, and many runs
later I manage to squeak ahead by 0.3 seconds -- but I'm sure he would
have beat me had he taken 15 laps!
Many thanks to the http://www.numoa.com Mustang club -- everyone was
welcoming and they have some fast drivers -- I had alot of fun.
Everyone seemed pretty happy I beat my own Camaro so easily with the
Mustang, too! Thanks to http://www.millermotorsportspark.com for
hosting the event, and to Adam for the Mustang rental, that was great.
You can see more of my car adventures at:
http://www.explodingdinosaurs.com
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